Showing posts with label water extraction. Show all posts
Showing posts with label water extraction. Show all posts

5.20.2011

catastrophe_part...five?

i think thats where we left off... i suppose i could just look and find out, but wheres the fun in that? sounds like work to me ;]

so when last we left.... crap i am going to have to look to see what all i need to fill you in on... hold on...
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[house erm... recon]
so when i last updated you fine folks, near the end of the previous post under the heading [substance] i notified you that the roof was finally finished ::dance!:: and we're very excited about that. =]
additionally, it hasnt leaked at all since ;] and we hope it stays that way indefinitely...

well, i also told you the interior was being prepped and cleaned for reconstruction to begin and while i didnt know it at the time... that wasnt exactly accurate.
as it turns out cincy had been getting a LOT of rain and if you remember, rainbow intl. is primarily a disaster response type business. [thats how we found them in the first place] well as it turns out, they were getting so much rain that all over the city people were having issues with basements flooding, sump-pumps breaking down [which caused basement flooding] and so on flooding this and that. well... rainbow ended up getting a ton of calls and basically made the call to abandon our house for 2 weeks to go help these other unfortunate souls and work halted altogether on our house. now we didnt know this at the time, but thats what ended up happening. luckily, our roof is in good shape and as far as i know our basement didnt flood, so no harm - no foul.
when i did end up talking to him again [early last week] greg apologized profusely for the circumstances and assured me that my project was now their primary focus again and that he intended to make up as much lost time as possible. honestly, i cant exactly be mad about it, after all, WE WERE IN THE EXACT SAME SITUATION, and besides, thats what they do. and we love them for it. =]
so since then, they have in fact started, and last i heard completed, the cleanup - further demo - prep work - etc -in preparation for the reconstruction to begin.
in fact, as of yesterday i found out that theyd started re-framing in places where they needed to rebuild walls and stuff and the electrician was working his way through the house as well! whoop!
so things are definitely back on track as far as the recon goes.
additionally, i had a nice long conference call with greg and the rainbow estimator middle of last week and we did an in depth review of their estimate, going over just about every item to make sure that we were on the same page. and cool thing we found out, we're basically getting a new kitchen! =] all new cabinets, counter-tops, island, plumbing - all of it! the only thing they arent replacing is the appliances, but those were all second hand junk anyway ;]
so that certainly increases the value of the reconstruction. and in addition to that we're also getting a few things here and there added in that werent really on the list originally, but hopefully we can get covered, so when this is all over the interior of this house is going to be almost completely brand new!

[now the not so good news...]
we're not happy about this buyer. so far they have been completely unwilling to work with us in any way to negotiate compensation for all of this new work thats being done and the added value of the work to the house. we've made dozens of attempts to get them to work with us, even going so far as to give the buyer anything she wanted as far as customization when we started the recon process, but she has been nothing but silent. either her realtor hasnt passed along anything to her [in which case hes a pretty shitty realtor and not representing her best interests at ALL] or else shes really just not interested in working with us at all. either way, we've had enough of the bs, and we're looking for a way out of this contract. the realtor has assured us that there will be interest in the house when this is all over [we've had 2 already!] so if we can get this thing back on the market, its looking good.
if that wasnt enough of the bad news, if we cant figure out how to get out of this contract, based on preliminary estimates of what we know is going to happen, the realtor is estimating the value at the house at about DOUBLE what we agreed to sell with this buyer. that is just so far beyond not fair or legit or anything right that i cant stand it. so if it comes to it, we WILL find a way out of this contract with this buyer even if it means getting lawyers involved. however, that probably wont be necessary. we've been doing a lot of research and as far as we can tell we have a number of options for an "out" based on the way we handled [or didnt, as it were, lol!] the contract throughout this process. nothings been decided yet, but we have 2 very good possibilities to get out of this contract right now [one i just found out about half an hour ago!] so we're feeling pretty confident. if it comes down to it though, we'll do what we've gotta do to make this right.

[other non-house stuff]
so thats really it for an update on the house, things are going well with the recon, and will hopefully work out well with the contract in the near future.

other than that, life has been steady. karen is working a lot, im working a lot, outside of work we're doing the norm. im still working out consistently and i think ive lost some weight even though the number on that scale hasnt budged yet [muscle weighs more than fat you know...] but im feeling good about it. if nothing else i feel better and my clothes fit better [actually, some of them are starting to sag a little] so i know something is happening.

coming up in the near future, Karen has a show as part of the galveston art centers monthly "art walk"s where shell be exhibiting a bunch of art shes been working on since moving back to texas. anyone in the area is welcome to attend, and you can read more about that... here.

and heres a little taste as well.
[image courtesy of the artist]

alright kiddos. i think thats it for now. feel free to comment if you'd like to know something else, or e-mail me... whatever. =]

out.

4.10.2011

catastrophe_part.four

[and we're still going... ]

for those of you just joining us, the title of this post specifies part four. so... go read the first 3 if you want to get caught up. for everyone else, im not re-capping, so lets dig into the meat & potatoes.

at this point the house was drying-out pretty well.
i'd been in fairly frequent contact with greg, who was more than happy to keep me apprised of the situation. however, i was having no luck finding a roofer that would put on the torched-down modified roof, and i was getting frustrated.

then saturday i get a phone call from ryan - not happy again. great, now what?
apparently he'd stopped by to check on the progress of the house dry-out [during yet another rain storm... this has got to be one of the wettest seasons on record in cincy, its just been non-stop.] only to find that the new tarp was billowing up and water was once again getting into the house. are you freaking kidding me.... obviously he wants me to get something done. and now.

so we hung up and i gave the roofer a call... and got his voicemail. what kind of a roofer doesnt take calls on a saturday? frustrating... so i leave him a voicemail and let him know that the tarp is coming up and i need him out there asap to get it fixed. and... he doesnt call back...
in fact, its not till monday that i finally hear back from him and hes not happy either. he says he'll have his guys go out and look at it, but ensures me that they installed it properly and theres no way it should be blowing up.
the next morning i finally get some news on whats happening with the tarp. the roofer calls me back and lets me know that he sent guys out monday and as it turns out the tarp was in fact blowing up on one of the front corners of the house. the bad news, is that from what he tells me the tarp was obviously tampered with. [what??]
the tarp was brand new when they installed it and they used a series of 2x4 nailers on top of the tarp all around the edge to pin it down uniformly so that it wouldnt tear out around a nail. well that makes sense to me, so what the hell happened?? apparently someone got out there and removed the nailer boards in the corner area and when they put them back they somehow did so wrong [im still lost on how the hell you can do that wrong!] and the roofers guys could obviously see new nail holes in a different place than where they had them originally and somehow this accounted for it blowing up in that corner. [again. im still lost. if they nailed it back down in the same manner as before, even in a slightly different place, then how exactly did it come up?? and while we're on the subject, who the hell was tampering with the freaking tarp? whats the point in that??]
anyway, hes pissed and informs me that i will be billed for them having to go back out and fix it after someone else messed it up. great. whatever, the insurance company said they'd handle the temporary roof repairs, so im not worried about it. at this point anyway...
since i have him on the phone, i take the opportunity to discuss the situation with the estimate for the repairs. i tell him what the insurance agent told me and discussed what money they were going to provide and what they were and werent going to pay for and asked if we could negotiate on his estimate at all. to which he replied flat-out, that its their company policy not to come down on their prices, period. [wtf??] seriously?? who has a company policy like that?? i tried to reason with him, i tried to make him understand that there was no more money, i tried to get him to help me out at all, and he just was not willing to budge. instead, he started to tell me that the insurance company is screwing me over and that theres no way in hell i'd find anyone to do that roof for cheaper than what hes quoting me if they do it right, yada yada yada.... great. im truly screwed here.
so eventually, after hes been chewing on my ear for a while, he decides hes done and lets me get off the phone. and now, i dont know what to do. i dont have an extra $7000 just laying around to put into this stupid house[nor would i want to if i did!], hes not willing to budge on his price, and the insurance company isnt willing to give me another dime. so... now what??

well, at this point my old buddy greg just happens to give me a call to update me on the dry-out. mmm-kay... what else could go wrong?
well, luckily, on greg's end. not much, lol! considering hes already all but gutted my house, what bad news could he have? "we've decided to bulldoze the whole thing and start over"?? ;]
apparently the house isnt/wasnt drying out as fast as they'd hoped, so its probably going to take another week. additionally, there are some places that the walls just arent drying out and they were hoping they would. one wall in particular is the one between the kitchen and dining room and theyre pretty sure theyre going to have to open that one up to get it to dry out, if not tear it out all-together. but other than that, everything is going well and they're very optimistic about the process being completed sooner rather than later.
well this is good news to me. something actually getting done, i cant wait! so again, while having him on the phone already, i take the opportunity to discuss with greg the situation with the roof and ask if he thinks he'd be able to help me out. and greg of course says he'd be glad to and will have his guy come look at the roof as soon as he can to put together an estimate on it for me.
not long after i hang up with him, i get a call from the estimator from rainbow, rob - whod id spoken with a little before when i gave the interior work to rainbow, and who is also always happy to speak with me - who wants to briefly discuss the roof. so i give him the whole story and tell him whats going on with the insurance company, etc. he says no problem and they'll get something to me as soon as possible.

/*/ now to clarify on a few things mentioned in the previous section.
1. tearing out walls. i dont know about you in particular, but when my mother heard this specifc little factoid she was very concerned about the structure of the house, and understandably at that. so for any of you out there that had the same initial thought, let me put your mind to ease briefly.
our house is over 100 years old and is essentially a long skinny rectangle in shape. the way it was built is through exterior structural brick walls [that are nearly a foot and a half thick] with timber floor joists that span from one wall to the other along the narrower width. this is traditional construction for that time period, and is perfectly legitimate and structurally sound if done properly. this is also why if you've ever been in a really old neighborhood, you may have noticed that nearly every house was less that 25 feet wide and was long and skinny from front to back. this accounts for the basic material limitations that they had to work with 100 years ago. and responded to the same type of construction that we have here, where the exterior walls support the entire house and the floor/ceiling joists span directly across the house from one side to the other. what this does is put all of the load of the house on the exterior walls, which is then taken straight down to the foundations [typically stacked stone in these 100 year old houses] and then again into the earth. this basically means that every wall on the interior of the house is typically a non-structural wall unless there were some kind of modifications made after the house was originally built. you can further verify that this is the case by simply going into the basement. if none of the interior walls go down to the basement floor [which most of the time they dont in these old houses] then they obviously arent being structurally supported by the ground directly, i.e., not structural. [well, not structural in the sense that theyre not holding up the entire house and you could have some serious issues if you removed one.]
2. secondly, i hadnt mentioned this before but its important to understand how these estimates are being made in this process. in the case of your typical contractor [the first one we were working with for instance] they do a walk through, inspect the condition of things, decide what they will or wont have to repair or replace, and then they do some quick multiplication assuming certain percentages or dollars per square foot, or ratios of man hours/material. its about as simple as that. if you ask them for an itemized breakdown theyll then typically do a little more work/research and give you some estimates on material pricing/square foot or linear foot depending on the material and potentially the number of guys they plan to have working for roughly how many hours. at this point however, once theyve had to give you more specific numbers, you'll probably see an additional item pop-up that says something along the lines of "any additional or unexpected work to be hourly cost plus labor." this means that if the job takes any longer than they originally estimated or anything gets more complicated than they originally thought, its going to cost you a lot more because theyre going to bill you hourly[and depending on the company or type of work, they'll typically bill 20-40 dollars an hour per worker]. just something to keep in mind.
contrary to that, insurance companies do things completely different. when they do a walk through/inspection/assessment, they take measurements and notes on materials the very first time [and hopefully pictures as well] of anything that is damaged and they simply plug in their numbers and materials into a program that spits out all the reports they need [which are your estimates]. this program essentially contains a database of the going rate of labor [either a national average or based on a given region], the costs of all different kinds of materials [same as before] and the quantities. the program then calculates everything and spits out an itemized list of what each piece will cost all broken down and tabulates the total cost.
its actually a neat little tool that certainly gets you very specific numbers very quickly. the only downside is that these numbers are typically a little low. mostly because any contractor youre going to find to work with is going to beef up their labor costs, material costs, time, etc. to increase their profit a little and make the job worth-while to them. they're certainly not going to walk away without making any money, but they're also not going to tell you where and how their profit is being factored in to their estimate, so more than likely the contractors estimate is almost always going to be higher [if not much, much higher] than the numbers being calculated by this program.
luckily for us, rainbow international is a company that specializes in working on disaster claims and working with insurance companies, so theyve made it their business practice to use all of the same methods and programs that the insurance companies use to calculate their estimates, so rainbows are typically near identical to the insurance company youre working with [yes, each insurance provider uses a different program and calculates things slightly different]. so... the estimates for the work that rainbow does, are almost always completely covered by the insurance company.
3. in addition to that, if the company youre working with happens to be approved as a "preferred service provider" [or 'psp' - this may be a slightly different term depending on the situation, but it will mean essentially the same thing] with your insurance company, then this whole process gets even simpler. it basically means that your insurance company trusts them, and basically stops asking questions and everything gets that much smoother. i wish id known about this preferred service provider business up front, it would have saved a LOT of headaches. it's my advice to always find a preferred service provider when dealing with insurance claims [this goes for vehicle too, been there, done that] it just makes the entire process so much easier on you. i havent discovered yet if theres a publicly available list of who these preferred service providers are for your insurance company, but if there is one, its definitely worth getting your hands on at the beginning of the process, instead of stumbling into later. /*/

a few days later i got an email laying out the estimate for the roof, which was well under the other guys $13,000 and i immediately faxed over to state farm.
however, after faxing it, i looked over it more closely and discovered that there'd been a little confusion in our phone conversation and they hadnt estimated for the torch-down modified roof, and they hadnt accounted for removal of the existing. after calling them back i discovered that their guys had only looked at one place on the roof briefly to establish the existing condition, and that wherever they checked the condition, they only found two layers of membrane [probably because the rest was blown off in that corner, lol!] and they were planning to just go over it. i explained that the entire existing had to be removed before hand and that i needed to see numbers for torch-down mod. if they could get them and he assured me he'd get new estimates out asap.

[meanwhile...]
on the insurance side of things, the dry-out process is taking longer than they expected and my mobile rep is now having to become mobile again. bye, ryan... this time around however, because of the type of claim, and the situation we're in, they decided to hand the case off to a local regional office to handle the remainder of the claim. [enter agents 4, 5, & 6] over the course of the next week i spoke with 3 different people who were at the local office and were passing my case around to get it in the hands of the right person to deal with the type of claim i had. [apparently communication is a little off from one branch of the insurance company to the other..] but eventually we got it settled and we have a very nice girl working on the case now with an actual phone number i can call her on if i ever need to, and shes been working closely and quickly with rainbow to get this all expedited and get the work started to put things back together.

monday morning i got the two new estimates, and while they were now higher to accommodate the cost of removal, they were still $4,000 less than the other guys, and since they were itemized and calculated the same way the insurance company would, i was hoping it would give us a little leverage to get it completely covered. sent those off to the insurance company immediately as well, and at this point we're all but caught up to real-time.

the most recent update after all that came the middle of last week.
1. dry-out is complete. woohoo!
2. walk-throughs with new insurance agents have been completed and estimates are being put together.
3. rainbow had been approved as a preferred service provider and the roof estimate has also been approved.
4. work is scheduled to begin on the replacement of the roof this week.
5. an estimate for the interior work has been started [although it's being split up into different parts for different kinds of work] for the interior and we should be getting numbers this week for flooring and then for the rest [hopefully!]

stay tuned, and i'll update again when i know more.

everyone have a great week!

4.07.2011

catastrophe_part.thrice

[this saga never stops...]

alright, so where were we? oh thats right, waiting for monday to see if everyone does what theyre supposed to.

[monday]
so monday morning arrives and at 8am central [9am eastern] i give the new roofer a call to see where we are. much to my surprise he answers the first time i call, and to my slight disappointment they are on their way to the house [instead of having been there the last 2 hours, lol]. but this is great news! its going to get done!
around 11am i get a call from greg who confirms that the tarp is on, the roof is sealed, and that his team is setting up and getting started with the tear out phase. sounds great, we're finally making progress! but wait... whats the tear out phase?

so heres my understanding of how water extraction works... first of all they have a list of items that over time and with whatever testing they do, have decided cannot be dried/arent worth the time it takes to fully dry/some other reason they dont dry them. so the very first thing they do when they go into a house is clean up any debris that has accumulated [such as ceilings falling down? yes...] then they begin to remove any type of material that is both wet and on their list. now to determine the level of wetness they have gauges and testing requirements and such to determine the relative level of water penetration and saturation of whatever the material is. in our case, the house has for all intents and purposes not had a roof to prevent water coming in for the last oh... week? week and a half? and through a series of large heavy rain storms no less. so... its kind of pointless to test a lot of this stuff at all when youre wading through water ankle deep...
items on the list for immediate removal? well. carpet, carpet padding, linoleum, vinal composite tile [or vct for you architecture types], anything with visible surface mold, ceramic tile [if the grout is visibly cracked and has allowed water penetration] mastic, caulk, underlayment boards, plaster, drywall, insulation.... hmm.... im not sure if there's more than that, but that just about covers our house.
so really, after the first couple of days, the only floor surfaces remaining in our house was the subfloor decking through out the entire house with the exception of the kitchen [where the ceramic tile held up pretty well and they decided to try and dry it from underneath in the basement] and the second floor bathroom - which magically managed to avoid almost all water getting in altogether. as far as walls go, they were going to wait and see how much they could dry out after the first week before tearing into them [with the obvious exception of any places that the plaster or drywall had already come off the walls - although there was little of this at this point to my understanding]. ceilings - all gone. drywall, plaster, insulation, i think the only ceilings that remained unscathed were again the 2nd floor bathroom, and then the first floor front room [parlor] and entry way - these two they were going to try to salvage if possible and attempt to dry them out.
so... end of week one, my house has officially been gutted. [see pictures here] the dry out process has begun and is going well by all accounts from greg, the roof has stayed sealed up with no leaking, and ive gotten a bill from the first contractors roof tarping attempts [about 500 bucks at this point]. but things are looking up!
at some point during the week i had spoken with ryan again who was glad to hear everything was going well and that we were back on schedule. however we discussed the interior remodeling once the dryout process was completed and he confirmed that there would be absolutely no money upfront to cover any material costs. if i was going to continue working with my original contractor he was going to have to eat that cost and he would be fully reimbursed when the job was complete.
heh, i'll give you 3 guesses how that went over when i gave the contractor a ring... if you guessed not well received, then you were right. so after a conversation with him about the situation we agreed that he wouldnt be doing the interior work either and that other than the bill for the tarping [attempts] still needing to be paid our business together was dissolved.
to be honest with you, i was a little relieved... dont get me wrong, i like the guy [still] hes a hell of a nice guy. but this whole fiasco and his refusal to work with the insurance company was just more than i could handle in added stress on top of the destruction of my house and being 2000 miles away.
however, now i was stuck, right? who the hell am i going to get to do the interior once the dry-out is finished [which i was told they were optimistically thinking would be no more than a week - however at weeks end that was no longer the case] well.... if youve done any snooping online since the last post then you probably have a good idea of what i did next. given that my relationship with rainbow international had been so positive from the first minute i happily called them up and informed them that id be giving the interior remodel work to them. thats right, if youve checked out their website you know, they are a full service disaster services company. not only do they do the abatement [and that includes mold and asbestos as well if i remember correctly] but they also do the work to come back and make it as good as new.
well at this point i was about as happy as i could be given the circumstances. rainbow was doing a hell of a great job, and greg was a hell of a nice guy, and i was sitting quite comfortably in the assurances that this was going to get done and get done right.

[meanwhile...]
i recieved the estimate from the roofer and faxed it over to the insurance company hoping for the best and was soon entangled in a new nightmare... for those of you that are as ignorant about insurance claims as i was, and specifically those that involve the destruction and repair of your home, get ready for a little morsel of information to chew on that i have been fighting with for weeks now. i cant speak to everyone out theres coverage, but if you have the standard coverage that i do, then yours probably looks near identical to mine.
in the event that you have to go through this hell that i am currently stuck in, it will be valuable for you to know up-front that when the insurance company does estimates and decides what they will and wont cover as far as replacement goes theres a little preface that they dont always mention up-front: no matter what damage occurs or what condition your home was in before the damage, the insurance company will only give you enough money to go back with exactly what was there before. thats it, no more, no less, exactly to the state it was in before the accident.
okay, now while you mull that over, ill clarify things for you with respect to my situation.
the roof.
the roof i originally had, if youll remember, was 100yr old roof joists, with 100yr old wide plank spaced decking, followed by a layer of tin/metal roof, followed by 6 layers of torch-down modified roofing membrane, [keeping in mind that because of the weight of that roofing system the structure of my roof had begin to sag in the middle causing a bowl effect and was holding water - which by the way had worsened significantly since this whole thing began and was now visibly sagging something like 3 inches from the reports i was getting] along with a large skylight cut into the middle of the roof [that was a great feature, but was never installed and structurally reinforced properly which added to the structural issues and was an on-going source of minor water infiltration].
so based on all that, just guess what that meant as far as what the insurance was going to cover... the tearing off of all existing roofing membrane and tin roof, and then coming back with one layer of torch-down modified roofing and the recommendation that we remove and cover up the skylight if we know whats good for us. the end. and they werent really allowing enough for the proper removal and disposal and cleanup of the entire flat roof at that.
so um... heres why this is worse than it sounds.
1. they determined that the structural situation was essentially a "pre-existing condition" that was unrelated to the storm damage and they would cover no structural reinforcing or repair. this means that if we put a new roof on top of the existing structure it would more than likely support the much lighter roofing system with no problem, however water would continue to pool and i guarantee that within a year it will have found its way through the new roof membrane and into the newly-remodeled interior of the house.
2. they determined that the skylight was not effected by the storm damage at all and wouldnt have anything to do with it, period. so.... whos paying to have it removed? me. and what about the fact that its a feature of the house that the potential buyer is expecting to remain? dont know, dont care. thanks guys....
3. the method of installing a torch-down modified roof system requires that the underlaying surface be completely smooth and solid so that the membrane has a surface to adhere to when it is torched-down. um... this doesnt work with a "spaced plank" system! that means there are litterally spaces between every plank in the decking that range anywhere from 1-3 inches... in the case of a tin roof [the very first layer] this isnt a big deal, you nail it werever you want and it covers everything. with a membrane system, there will essentially be sags in all the cracks and every one of those would hold more water and create a point of potential penetration.
4. no one [out of the dozen or so roofers i contacted, not a single one] will put a torch-down modified roofing system on a 100 year old house. in fact 90% of the roofers i talked to wouldnt install a torched-down modified system if the roof was in a condition they could! the risk of fire is too great and the system is decades out of date. the current standard in flat roofs is a fully adhered rubberized roof membrane, that is glued to a sublayer of insulating deck board, that is fastened to a smooth solid roof decking system, typically 3/4inch plywood.
so where does this leave me?
um... effed.
i finally convinced them that at the very least they had to pay for new decking for a membrane to go on top of if i ever found someone to install the system they wanted, and they agreed to 1/2inch [not what you want, will result in a more bouncy roof decking] plywood deck to cover the entire roof.
well at least theres that. now heres the worst part yet... all this is going to result in their estimate being right around $6000. the estimate that the new roofer gave me was upwards of $13,000. so um.... wheres that other 7 grand coming from? yeah, my pockets...

and so begins the next exciting phase of hunting for roofers that would be close to their numbers and provide the roof system they would actually pay for [thus the dozen or so we tried, to no avail] and that would install a roof on my 3 story house to begin with. [which only about a quarter of them would do. the majority only did shingle roofs and only 1 or 2 stories max height.]

joy oh joy...

stay tuned for more exciting catastrophe to come....